Freddy Krueger

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  We're speaking to folks in your neighborhood

  by new light in

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  Freddy Krueger

  "Hey your just in time! I was just saying to myself I really wished someone would knock on my door at 8 o'clock in the morning, I mean I work nights I don't need sleep. Come on in, I was just about to whip out my Ouija board and talk to grandmom over breakfast."

  -Freddy
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  Comments You Will Not Hear At the 2-29-04 WT Study

  by blondie in

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  comments you will not hear at the 2-29-04 wt study

  review comments will be in black and parentheses ().

  wt quotes will be in red and quotes "".

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  Freddy Krueger

  Hey Blondie,

  Great work as usual. Been following your posts and looking back on them. This is great. I love this:

  3 Although David was God's appointed king, he viewed Jehovah as the true King of Israel.

  This is where confusion comes in when the WTS is always using the Old Testament to teach Christians about Jesus. What does the New Testament say about who the King is?

  Notice how the WTS asks that question but does not answer it.

  How true. They never do. They imply something and then put it in a sentence as fact. Oblivious to the questions surrounding their statement.

  This was good too:

  We also bless Jehovah God when we discuss his purposes with fellow believers at Christian meetings or during private conversations.

  What do JWs discuss in their private conversations: what they watched on tv that week or the movie they went to, shopping, sports, their last vacation, their new car or house, and lastly the dirt on someone in the congregation.

  Exactly, there is nothing to discuss and question regarding beliefs. Because as JW's it's the society's way or the highway. There is no way to have open discussion about "his purposes". With the WTS it is the way they say it is. Just like you stated - the reason being the WTS is God's appointed channel.

  As was true in David?s case, reading the Scriptures regularly, meditating on them deeply, and studying them diligently will increase our appreciation for Jehovah?s dignity.

  So the phrase is God?s dignity. What is that supposed to

  mean?
  

  Why the frequent use of meditation? Does the WTS really want people to think deeply?

  Priceless. "meditating on them deeply" What for? The interpretation is what the WTS feeds the rank and file. There is no need to meditate. It's what they say it is. We can actually come to a differnt conclusion then them, can we? Oh wait! We can. We're here!

  Your closing remarks remind me of my comedic post I wrote here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/65478/1.ashx

  My bio if interested: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/66909/1.ashx

  Great work Blondie!

  -Freddy
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  Another great picture posting Thread.

  by Stefanie in

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  here is mine and my hubby's.

  i might take it down latter so my crazy ex dont find it.

  feel free to post pics of you, your kids, your pets plants anything will be grrreat!

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  Freddy Krueger

  I know this is a picture posting post, but I had to reply along with Lyineyes.

  What the hell are those things on that Quiznos commercial!? It freakin' freaks me out! Those things are more disturbing then the entire movie "Seven". And that music with those squeaky voices! AHHHHHH! I'm outta here!

  -Freddy
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  Jesus Christ - The man who was raised from the dead

  by hooberus in

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  this is the fourth thread in a recent series of posts on the fact that jesus christ is still a man.. the watchtower claims that "the man" jesus christ did not raise from the dead, but remained forever dead (they teach that he was recreated as an angel).

  the bible however shows that it was a "man" whom god hath raised from the dead.

  "because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

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  Freddy Krueger

  -Dansk

  Just some information on some "so called documentation". Whether it is reliable or true, I don't know. figured I'd post it for all to look over:
  

  There are two scientific books about the life of Issa (Jesus) in the East and after the crucifixion. The first one is "A Search for the Historical Jesus. From Apocryphal, Buddhist, Islamic & Sanskrit Sources" written by Fida M. Hassnain (first published 1994 by Gateway Books, U.K.), the second one is "Jesus lived in India" by Holger Kersten. This German book is a thorough, methodical and authoritative examination of the evidence of Christ's life beyond the Middle East before the Crucifixion, in India and elsewhere after it. There is also an exhaustive research into Christ's travels after the Crucifixion, his arrival in India with the Mother Mary and finally his death and entombment in Kashmir.

  This is a summary of both books:

  
  The first step in Christ's trail after the Crucifixion is found in the Persian scholar F. Mohammed's historical work "Jami-ut-tuwarik" which tells of Christ's arrival in the kingdom of Nisibis, by royal invitation. (Nisibis is today known as Nusaybin in Turkey) . This is reiterated in the Imam Abu Jafar Muhammed's "Tafsi-Ibn-i-Jamir at-tubri." Kersten found that in both Turkey and Persia there are ancient stories of a saint called "Yuz Asaf" ("Leader of the Healed"), whose behaviour, miracles and teachings are remarkably similar to that of Christ.

  The many Islamic and Hindu historical works recording local history and legends of kings, noblemen and saints of the areas thought to be travelled by Jesus also give evidence of a Christ like man; the Koran, for example, refers to Christ as "Issar". Further east, the Kurdish tribes of Eastern Anatolia have several stories describing Christ's stay in Eastern Turkey after his resurrection. These traditional legends have been ignored by the theological community.

  More clues are drawn from the Apocrypha. These are texts said to have been written by the Apostles but which are not officially accepted by the Church. Indeed, the Church regards them as heresy since a substantial amount of the Apocrypha directly contradicts Church dogma and theology.

  The Apocryphal 'Acts of Thomas', for example, tell how Christ met Thomas several times after the Crucifixion. In fact they tell us how Christ sent Thomas to teach his spirituality in India. This is corroborated by evidence found in the form of stone inscriptions at Fatehpur Sikri, near the Taj Mahal, in Northern India. They include "Agrapha", which are sayings of Christ that don't exist in the mainstream Bible. Their grammatical form is most similar to that of the Apocryphal gospel of Thomas. This is but one example giving credibility to the idea that texts not recognised by the Church hold important clues about Christ's true life and his teachings.

  In tracing Christ's movements to India and beyond which have been gradually edited out of the modern Bible were originally Eastern in nature. Principles such as karma and re-incarnation, for example, were common knowledge then, and seem to have been reaffirmed by Christ. Imagine the implications that this discovery holds for Western Christianity and its churches, who have kept Christ in their doctrinal top pockets and have constrained the entire Western culture within the narrow teachings of blind faith, organised religion and original sin!

  Further clues are cited from The Apocryphal Acts of Thomas, and the Gospel of Thomas which are of Syrian origin and have been dated to the 4th Century AD, or possibly earlier. They are Gnostic Scriptures and despite the evidence indicating their authenticity, they are not given credence by mainstream theologians. In these texts Thomas tells of Christ's appearance in Andrapolis, Paphlagonia (today known as in the extreme north of Anatolia) as a guest of the King of Andrappa. There he met with Thomas who had arrived separately. It is at Andrapolis that Christ entreated Thomas to go to India to begin spreading his teachings. It seems that Christ and Mary then moved along the West coast of Turkey, proof of this could be an old stopping place for travellers called the "Home of Mary", found along the ancient silk route. From here Christ could easily have entered Europe via France. He may have even travelled as far as the British Isles, for in England there is an ancient oak tree called the "Hallowed Tree" which (says local legend) was planted by Christ himself.

  The historian Mullah Nadini (1413) also recounts a story of Yuz Asaf who was a contemporary to King Gopadatta, and confirms that he also used the name Issar, ie. Jesus. There is also much historical truth in the towns and villages of Northern India to prove that Jesus and his mother Mary spent time in the area. For instance, at the border of a small town called Mari, there is nearby a mountain called Pindi Point, upon which is an old tomb called Mai Mari da Asthan or "The final resting place of Mary". The tomb is said to be very old and local Muslims venerate it as the grave of Issa's (ie Christ's) Mother. The tomb itself is oriented East-West consistent with the Jewish tradition, despite the fact it is within a Muslim area. Assuming its antiquity, such a tomb could not be Hindu either since the Hindus contemporary to Christ cremated their dead and scattered their ashes as do Hindus today.

  Following Christ's trail into Kashmir, 40km south of Srinagar, between the villages of Naugam and Nilmge is a meadow called Yuz-Marg (the meadow of Yuz Asaf, ie. Jesus). Then there is the sacred building called Aish Muqam, 60km south east of Srinagar and 12km from Bij Bihara.
  "Aish" says Kersten is derived from "Issa" and "Muqam" place of rest or repose. Within the Aish Muqam is a sacred relic called the 'Moses Rod' or the 'Jesus Rod', which local legend says, belonged to Moses himself.
  Christ is said to also have held it, perhaps to confirm his Mosaic heritage. Above the town of Srinagar is a temple known as "The Throne of Solomon", which dates back to at least 1000BC, which King Gopadatta had

  restored at about the same time as Christ's advent. The restoration was done by a Persian architect who personally left four inscriptions on the side steps of the temple. The third and fourth inscription read: "At this time Yuz Asaf announced his prophetic calling in Year 50 and 4" and "He is Jesus -- Prophet of the Sons of Israel"! Herein lies a powerful confirmation of Kersten's theory. Kersten suggests that Christ may have travelled to the South of India also, finally returning to Kashmir to die at the age of approximately 80 years.

  Christ's tomb lies in Srinagar's old town in a building called Rozabal. "Rozabal" is an abbreviation of Rauza Bal, meaning "tomb of a prophet". At the entrance there is an inscription explaining that Yuz Asaf is buried along with another Moslem saint. Both have gravestones which are oriented in North-South direction, according to Moslem tradition. However, through a small opening the true burial chamber can be seen, in which there is the Sarcophagus of Yuz Asaf in East-West (Jewish) orientation!

  According to Professor Hassnain, who has studied this tomb, there are carved footprints on the grave stones and when closely examined, carved images of a crucifix and a rosary. The footprints of Yuz Asaf have what appear to be scars represented on both feet, if one assumes that they are crucifixion scars, then their position is consistent with the scars shown in the Turin Shroud (left foot nailed over right). Crucifixion was not practised in Asia, so it is quite possible that they were inflicted elsewhere, such as the Middle East. The tomb is called by some as "Hazrat Issa Sahib" or "Tomb of the Lord Master Jesus". Ancient records acknowledge the existence of the tomb as long ago as 112AD. The Grand Mufti, a prominent Muslim Cleric, himself has confirmed that Hazrat Isa Sahib is indeed the tomb of Yuz Asaf!

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  Further documentation comes from psychic messages like "The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus Christ", the readings of Edgar Cayce and Ramtha.
  

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  BOOKS ABOUT THE UNKNOWN LIFE OF JESUS CHRIST

  • The Unknown Life of Jesus Christ

  Nicolas Notovitch
• A Search for the Historical Jesus
Fida M. Hassnain
• Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ
H. Dowling Levi
• The Apocryphal Jesus : Legends of the Early Church
J. K. Elliott (Editor)
• Bloodline of the Holy Grail : The Hidden Lineage of Jesus Revealed
Laurence Gardner
• The Prophet of the Dead Sea Scrolls
Upton Clary Ewing
• Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures
Mary Baker Eddy (700 pages!)
• The Lost Books of the Bible : Being All the Gospels, Epistles and Other Pieces Now Extant Attributed in the First Four Centuries to Jesus Christ
• Jesus - the Western Dalai Lama
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• The Secret Gospels : A Harmony of Apocryphal Jesus Traditions
(Oxford Critical Studies in Religion Series)
• The Forgotten Pilgrimage of Jesus : Sojourn in the Land of the Wise Men
James F. Forcucci (Compiler)
• Jesus in India : A Reexamination of Jesus' Asian Traditions in the Light of Evidence Supporting Reincarnation
James W. Deardorff
• The Autobiography of Jesus of Nazareth and the Missing Years
Richard G. Patton
• The Vegetarianism of Jesus Christ
Charles P. Vaclavik
• Apocryphal Jesus and Christian Origins
Ron Cameron
• Apocryphal Writings and the Latter Day Saints
W. Griggs
• Christ and the patriarchs : new light from apocryphal literature and tradition : Adam, Moses, Abraham, Noah
Marcus Von Wellnitz
• Christ's eternal gospel : do the Dead Sea scrolls, the pseudepigrapha, and other ancient records challenge or support the Bible?
O. Preston Robinson
• The Forbidden Gospel
J. Edgar
• Jesus and mastership : the gospel according to Jesus of Nazareth as dictated through
James Coyle Morgan
• Jesus Died in Kashmir : Jesus, Moses and the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel
Andreas Faber
• The Jesus Mystery
Janet Bock
• Mediaeval legends of Christ
Angelo Solomon Rappoport
• The refugee from heaven
Cora Evans
• Strange Tales About Jesus
Per Beskow

- Freddy